Guessing some of this takes pre-patch into account.
After Reva- it’s pretty much how well you do vs Reva, with the top 3 being the ones with even matchups, and everyone else losing by progressively more (throw Zirix out because he got nerfed into oblivion recently)
Seen this too but couldn’t find any information about how the data is collected.
Is it by hand, for which type of deck, played by who, how and when ?
These numbers, out of the blue with no details are pretty irrelevant, as is.
It’s aggregated from players who sign up for a free account with the site and seems to be updated every few hours (or daily?). They don’t publish results for different decks or ranks yet.
If you have any better numbers I’d love to see them.
Same same same 
I am just curious on how the data is collected. From what you’ve mentioned, it isn’t clear if the statistics are from the current ladder, or from the beginning of the season (before the balance changes).
And even so, if it was true, are the games from all the divisions: gold, diamond, silver, bronze and even s-rank? If both of the above were the case, the data is invalid.
Also it depends on what deck type they’re playing. Assuming that they’re from competitive divisions, s-rank and diamond, and in this case, we’re looking at vetruvian specifically. Notice how vetruvians that were on top now have a 50% winrate? The deck archetype that survived the siphon onslaught was dervish vet, yes zirix. Hence part of the reason why it still has a 50% win rate.
As for midrange zirix, they got affected quite a lot too, its almost auto concede if a bloodmoon is surrounded by wraithlings. Kelaino at a corner or four winds.
And look at sajj, it has ~45% win rate. The supposingly top faction with a 45% win rate. Why? Because it is considered a more control based variation of vetruvian when compared to zirix, a more zooish and midrange approach with their bbs in mind. One deals bonus damage for minion removal, the latter summons a 2-2 with dervish synergy.
If the drop in win rate, especially for sajj, considering that the statistics were collected after the balance changes. Isn’t it enough to show how siphon has severely affected the control based playstyle of vetruvian? Which is suppose to be their plsystyle with all the control and defensive buffs in their faction? And also it just hammered vetruvians into the ground by playing anything dispel-worthy out of range?
Notice how songhai is on top with a marginal ~2% more win rate than the runner up’s? Cassy and magmar were as close to “anti-songhai” you can get with their in faction healing, better removals than vetruvian. Along with tech cards included. And even then, songhai still manage to stay on top and fair well when playing against other faction that specifically teched against them. The faction itself is considered overturned by many and I believe the statistics show so.
But this isn’t about songhai atm. If songhai was on top and vetruvians had a solid 50-50 matchup against them initially, shouldn’t it have a better win rate in the 51-52%? Considering its decent vs cassy but gets countered by magmar and to a lesser extent, by lyonar? And like I said, the fact that zirix stays due to its more midrange and zooish pkaystyle as compared to the abysmal 45% win rate sajj has fell to is enough to show that siphon was a huge deal. It impacted the control aspect of the faction more than anything. Saying that the faction still fares well with just zirix still barely holding on to a ~50% win rate doesn’t show that it isn’t that bad.
I realize it cannot be accurate, just with my humble experience.
Because everytime I reach a Tier and I’m “safe”, I start goofing around tweaking decks for days, testing stuff, sometime generating looooong losing streaks, conceding sometime after a couple of rounds. I do that every time, when reaching 20, 10 and 5, and I guess I’m not the only one … (am I ? really ?)
For instance, this month, I maybe had 100 loss testing a meme SabotSajj, getting willingly stuck around 10 … I guess this would have made Sajj results not really relevant.
Omg, thanks for pointing it out, I left out an “if”. Sorry, typing with a phone atm.
Now, that is taking it a little to far. Zirix can be played for aggro, midrange and board-dominion with dervishes, and be able to hit almost anything with a wind dervish+shroud. It is still not quite top tier and the nerf was very painful, but Reva is generally less worrying for the archetype than Abyssians.
I think one of the things people should note in this is exactly how many battles, wins and losses each general has. Something interesting to note is that Reva is the most played general than Vaath by 33 games, and then followed by Argeon, Faie, then Cassyva (followed by Zirix). Another thing is while Cassyva has almost 1000 less games played than Reva and Vaath, she still has an overall better winrate than Vaath and Argeon, who both had more wins than her. Based on the number of matches/battles they have recorded, I would assume that the data is at the very least from gold. @orthoceras and @kingw do bring up good points regarding Kaleos being on the exact opposite of the spectrum in relation to Reva though.
On another note, has anyone else feel like Vaath is on the rise? I’m currently sitting in rank 2-3 diamond, and have been coming across almost 80% Magmar, particularly Vaath. This could also explain why Vaath is in the top 3 in regards to general winrate.
i climbed to diamond post vet siphon energy nerf, honestly its slightly harder and the nerf was unnecessary but vet is not dead. We also need to keep in mind this is CP first card game and its still early on they dont necessarily make all the best decisions but they are trying. We also need to remember that the next expansion comes out in December and I would not be surprised if vet gets some sort of removal in that.
51% winrate is a huge margin. Most professional MtG players have a 45%-52% winrate. 52% winrate is absolute tournament domination during a season. That said, I’d be very skeptical about this list because of how recent the changes were. Def see Zirix plummeting and Kara climbing.
The statistics refer to averages, not individual players.
xD That’s still a chasm of a margin. No General should exceed a 52% winrate. Because that means they get a high number of “free wins”, IE, times where they win because their opponent can’t produce any meaningful tension with them.
What? Where are you getting these assertions from? I see no reason to assume that a significant number of matches aren’t hard-fought just because a deck’s win percentage is over %52. If there’s any rationale here please show me how it works.
It’s pretty simple. In an ideal game, all players of equal skill have a 50% win rate against one another. While players having equal skill is not something that can be quantified, generally there is a threshold, a display of skill that reduces the sample to only players with relatively similar skill. When players of relatively similar skill play, a swing of 1-2% is in tolerance to choices, risks, RNG, etc. is reasonable because the game has a crazy amount of moving pieces. The general represents an artificial archetype within the game, (and contains multiple archetypes within it.) When an MtG archetype is dominant, it’s often by just a few %.
The big issue with this particular image, is however that the control is a function of time, not the number of games played. There are SIGNIFICANTLY more games with Vaath, Reva and Argeon than any of the other generals. Where the other results are less likely to be entirely accurate.
Another thing to point out from this (slightly off topic), is that while Ziran has a higher win rate than Kaleos, Sajj, and Starhorn, she is the least played out of all the generals. I feel like Heal lyonar could have some hidden potential that hasn’t been found yet, but thats my take on it
Having no numbers is better than having bad numbers. And given the sample size and how these were collected I think these are bad numbers.
Getting burned down by Songhai in turn 6/7 is the dumbest, most unfun experience I ever had in any card game I ever played. Since I do not care about my rank (made it to Gold and Diamond is too hard with my mediocre decks), every time I queue up against Reva I simply concede because my free time I too precious for this nonsense.
You’re not seeing the big picture. Look at the games played. There are exactly 2 Generals with over 3000 games Played. Reva, and Vaath. In other words, Reva Spellhai, and the general that counters her. Despite being a counter and having a similar amount of games played, Reva still has a higher win %.This means that Spellhai is able to outrun even decks meant to counter her.
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Vaath. In other words, Reva Spellhai, and the general that counters her
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Since when is Magmar the counter to spellhai? Wtf? Spellhai is if anything one of magmars weaker matchups.