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Why we might be wrong about Brome

Preamble

Hey everybody, long time no see! I went on hiatus following BN’s expulsion of a number of Duelyst players which caused me to divest from Duelyst. It also happened to sync up with my dislike of the game as it had developed following the Unearthed Prophecy expansion (Flawless, Azure, Vet & Abyss Aggro). A few weeks ago I decided to pop back in and have a look around here, only to discover that legacy players affected by the BN purge had received a settlement that seems to have worked out well enough. I’m sad that countries remain locked out but it seems to me that BN has tried to at least curtail the risk of people (like me) turning away from the game out of worry that our payment into the game is suddenly voided without warning or clarity. With all that said, I decided to read up on the current topics of discussion and dip my toes back into the actual game. A few days later the announcement for Immortal Vanguard dropped so it seems my timing is on point! Obviously I’d advise everyone against pre-ordering until we actually find out if the expansion is going to be worth any investment but for me personally it’ll at least serve as a litmus test to see if Duelyst is a game I can get back into again! I want to thank everyone who was so kind to me when I took my break, it really warmed my heart. What actually pushed me over the edge to post something here again was running into two forum friends (you know who you are) who noticed I was back online and decided to shoot me a message!

I really missed chatting and discussing with you guys and gals.

So, about this “Brome” Character

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Immortal Vanguard is bringing new Generals and while I share @Smash_the_Hamster’s worries about CPG’s ability to balance 18 of them (what happened to your Channel by the way?), I can’t help but be at least interested and curious to see how they play out. CPG seems to be embracing a kind of anti-meta approach where cards interact in such volatile ways that it becomes difficult for a few fixed decks to come out on top, so more Generals might actually be good for the game if judged on those terms. Sadly, the consensus here seems to be that Lyonar and Vetruvian are both getting another underpowered, underused General. Both fair and interesting, but not cheesy enough to see competitive play at least. Of course we can’t judge these things before the expansion actually arrives and settles but I really wanted to share some insights on Brome that I think a lot of people might be missing because they’re not that apparent on a surface level. Shidai’s utility is obvious, Maehv’s utility is obvious, but Brome just seems kind of weak. Don’t get me wrong: I agree he’s likely to be too fair to see top-tier play, but I think there’s evidence that he might be a lot better than people give him credit for, even based on cards we have access to today. I’m going to stick to discussing Brome (and not Ciphyron) because Lyonar is just what I know best. So let’s go.

More than a Zealot

Obviously Brome has built-in synergy with a Zeal-based combat style. The Crestfallen are weak and you’re limited in their placement (although in many cases you can place and move or vice versa to be more flexible than you might initially think, based on my trials). You can run the stereotypical deck with Windblade Adepts and Silverguard Knights to capitalise on the excellent Afterblaze spell. Afterblaze’s problem is that it could be a dead card on occasion, but with Brome it becomes a (dispel-weak) Primus Shieldmaster with Opening Gambit: Draw a card every other turn. Not amazing, but pretty damn good and it gives you the flexibility to play it on your other Zeal minions as usual. Zeal decks are relatively high skill and interesting to play (because you’re constantly at risk of messing up your own formations): the synergy is there, it’s strong, but there’s a lot more going on under the hood.

What I think people are actually missing is Brome’s potential with Artifacts. The recently revealed Lore Artificer might be smiling at Sajj and Vaath but we shouldn’t forget that Lyonar’s no slouch in the Artifact department either. Discounted Glaives, Regalia, Bulwark and Dawn’s Eye are all items of interest for a General that is more intrinsically able than any other General to hold onto Durability points and has access to two Artifacts that reward you for having their minions nearby. Is it dawning on you yet? Think of how turns typically play out: how many ways can an enemy General typically ping down your Artifacts? Are they going to have enough burst to both take out that accursed Crestfallen and your Artifact in the same turn? What if that Crestfallen were hiding behind a Bulwark? What if your General could buff a whole formation of minions safely behind that Crestfallen? What if that Crestfallen were Afterblazed? Until Rasha’s Curse is changed Vetruvian players are going to punish you for investing too heavily but I hope you can see my reasoning here. Regalia guards against pings, Dawn’s Eye recovers your Artifacts, Crestfallen jams big threats and traps Songhai Generals. There is potential here waiting to be tapped, we might see Lyonar’s first General truly tying Artifact, Zeal and Bond decks together into a cohesive whole. Maybe we’ll finally see Silverguard Knights dropping from the sky! Maybe not, but it’s at least interesting!

And wait, there’s more! That Crestfallen + Afterblaze combo was pretty cool right? How about Cresftallen + Ironcliffe Heart? Yet another card that suffers from lacking opportune targets now gets a General that can either spawn 3 more Guardians at no additional Mana cost (and while only costing one card from your action bar) or Rush them in for 13 damage at 7 Mana (only if you can keep a minion of course) without the risk of being a dead card. What about a nice 5-Mana Crestfallen + Holy Immolation play costing only 1 card? The almost forgotten Elyx Stormblade speeds your entire formation up to catch slippery foes and there’s the trusty Magnetize and Decimate to back you up (Sky Burial might see play if its cost were lowered). I even considered the synergy between Radiant Dragoon and the Crestfallen but that’s probably painting over cracks a little too much. I could go on talking about Lasting Judgment’s and Arclyte Sentinel’s interactions with high-Health friendly minions and low-Health enemy ones but I hope you get the picture of the potential.

We haven’t even touched on the potential synergy with swarm decks Brome might have. You flood the board, put on your Glaives, unleash your Auroara and beat down harder than the other Generals could. Until Thunderhorn and Grapnel Paradigm get nerfed this play style (and everything else I’ve mentioned for that matter) are unlikely to actually do well though, but at least there’s potential.

Finally, I have a note on card draw. Lyonar relies on Trinity Oath quite a bit (although I’d argue it’s only really good in Heal and maybe Swarm decks) and for good reason. I’m not going to bring up Solarius (maybe as a one-of for drawn-out matches?) though but instead emphasize that between Sun Wisp (great with Ironcliffe Heart), Afterblaze and the mentioned cards’ tendency towards higher Mana costs make it seem likely to me that a Brome deck is probably way less likely to need (a lot of) additional card draw beyond those two. Brome seems likely to have a grindy, efficient play style that doesn’t burn up cards as fast as other archetypes do and might instead be able to keep up consistent pressure over time rather than burst.

Concluding, Finally

In my own wordy way I hope I’ve touched on some dimensions to Brome that might not have been apparent to a significant portion of you. To me he seems like a skill-intensive, fair and interesting General that is going to delight Johnnies and Timmies and disappoint Spikes around the Duelyst-playing world. I really hope he gets the tools he needs to do well enough to the point it doesn’t feel like a handicap playing him. I don’t need top-tier CPG, I really don’t, but maybe make him playable? Artifacts are cool, Zeal is cool, Bulk is cool, Provoke is cool, I’d love to play some viable Lyonar decks that make use of these concepts. I’m curious to see if we get them.

I hope you enjoyed reading this little diatribe of mine, I guess I got carried away again. Cheers.

PS: Here's what I've been testing him with:

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I realy like brome…he just hasn,t enough support yet to be competetive…that will most likely change with the expansion.

I played Brome couple times he feels fine to me,The style is a little boring but it works.I will post my list when reach from work.

meh… brome is alright i just wish he is able to place the minion anywhere avoid slashers/warbeast overall his bbs is just a mini stun sure u can combo here n there but some investments might not be worth it as its easily answered… will test more later this weekend and see what we can do with the limited resources we have pre expansion.

in conclusion as a lyonar main for brome to be played more the bbs should have forcefield aswell

in a faction with aegis barrier and multiple health buffs, NO

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I personally like SwarmBrome much more than ZealBrome, but I agree with your points. I’m actually inspired with this general and quite sure that he will be viable with even minor support (but he should get at least some).

And.

Glad to have you back here, @thematsjo!

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Good to see you!

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Wait a sec thematsjo…i didn,t notice you thanks to the changed profile picture mr. excelsious
So the trinity of lyonar is restored as all of the great 3 have returned:kevin,thematsjo and powinthekissa

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wait he’s like someone famous in lyonar? I’ve played him so many times

You make some nice points here, it’s nice to see people have the brains to actually think of the potential rather than instantly calling things trash.

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Lets make lyonar great again #salute

Good to see you again! @thematsjo
:sunglasses:

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I’ve been finding notable success with an alabaster titan build for brome. The artifacts really work wonders with the crestfallens, but as individual cards they threaten to be dead some of the time. As a titan build I miss out on the afterblaze and holy imo strats, but overall I think its working pretty well. 5-0 so far in mid gold

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I concur with your statements; I’ve really been enjoying my games with Brome! Whereas Argeon and Zir’an are dependent on you having a minion on board, Brome’s Crestfallen gives you a lot more room to put in cards that benefit off from having minions. In particular, I’ve really been enjoying both Zoo Brome and BBQ (Bond Brome Que), as both Aurora and Ironcliffe heart benefit from the crestfallen. Besides the ability for turn 5 Holy Immolation, Crestfallen are immensely great buff targets through cards like Afterblaze (have not personally tested), Ironcliff Heart > Divine Bond (Crazy Burst out of nowhere, although I currently do not have any Aegis Barriers to complete my list), and zoo buffs like Warblade and Empirical Congregation. I’m also looking forward to try out a Titan Brome deck, and I think Brome may benefit the most off of Titan in comparison to Zir’an and Argeon do to the artifact synergies (Bulwark and Glaives to create 3/2 Forcefield units with Zeal: Povoke).

While a small change to Brome would be appreciated (particularly having the ability to place a Crestfallen in any of the 3 spaces in front of your general), I do think Brome definitely has a place in Lyonar, and opens up to a lot more unique and powerful combos in the faction.

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Bamboozled again, good to see you!

The wonderful @isbee! So nice to be speaking with you again.

I didn’t even seriously think about Alabaster potential with Brome! Afterblaze, Heart and Immo caught my attention too much to really consider it but that could make sense! We’ll see if the deck can manage in the new meta without Roar buffs to surmount breaking points.

With extra Brotein?

Well put; if Brome turns out to need just a bit of a bump I think that change might be just what the doctor ordered. Cheers!

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Hey welcome back! :smiley: :heart:

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Good to be back! ~:heart:~

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Crestfallen should be from every tribe. That would go a long way.

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I’ve been meaning to make another alabaster titan deck, Brome gives me a few interesting options…

Oh and you should really try a provoke only (or mostly provoke) deck. It’s funny when it works since you’re objective is to plop down multiple provoke units (and Lyonar already does provoke really well).

You make a good point, they really do resemble every Tribe. These tan gingers are real Battle Pet Arcanyst Dervish Vespyr Mech Golem Warmaster Structures.

I see it. Don’t you?

/pokingalittlefun

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