The Abyssian Interaction that should be real (Rant by Cookedpoo)

[cookedpoo]

So what is Abyssian known for? Dumb Xor decks that ruin all fun late game decks? A cool tile deck that got killed by a nerf to a single card? Swarms that get killed by a single Blistering Skorn? DOOM decks? What about the all powerful deci-rite Abyss deck that no one has heard of?

Yesterday, I opened a core orb, and out popped Decimus (which was my 2nd one) and I decided that 2 Decimus’ is enough to make burn horn. So after a couple of games, and seeing the OPness of Decimus, I wondered why it wasn’t put in any other decks but Magmar. “But Cookedpoo, Decimus isn’t put in any other faction decks because it can’t combo with their cards like Magmar can.”

I ignored this because I’m a newb who doesn’t know about deck building, and remembered a game I played with Buffseverywhere, where he played Decimus, and knowing that I had already lost, I decided to play Unfathomable Rite (6 mana, Draw cards from opponents deck to fill your action bar). To my surprise, I took zero damage and then played entropic gaze and suicided. So this made me think that the decimus draw mechanic only works depending on who’s deck was being drawn from. Wouldn’t it make sense that if your opponents deck was being drawn from, then the game would count it as they were drawing cards?

Plots of World Domination started racing in my head as I realized I could probably play a ramp-steal-burn Abyss deck if I played Decimus and Unfathomable Rite, and deal 12 damage to the enemy general while restoring my hand back to full.

But no, I played Decimus, and I played Unfathomable Rite, and lucky Argeon Highmayne did not take 12 damage and die.

So I ask you the players, who would want this interaction to actually work, and finally make Abyssian the feared steal-Decimus experts.

• Have this interaction work and make Abyssian great again
• Keep Magmar as the sole faction that can use Decimus

[project2el]

Decispikes is enough man, we definitely don’t need another brutal combo that deals huge damage out of nowhere with only two cards. Btw I think the interaction with rite is a bug, you should take damage.

[owlbeastmd]

just commenting on the awesome username

[cold52]

huh, coulda sworn i remember this combo working. i honestly think this combo is fair enough since for the most part you cant play them together on the same turn with out a dark fire sac and even then only would get damage equal to the amount of cards missing in hand. :v

[halcyon98]

Did you play ot with Rite to the Undervault, or Unfathomable Rite? Maybe there is a difference.

[cold52]

definately unfathomable rite undervault draws your cards which wouldnt do anything as it should. but i coulda sworn i remember unfathomable working combowise.

[halcyon98]

I must’ve been mistaken. My bad!

[miguelosz]

Can’t believe I’m the only one who answered “no” to the poll This interaction would break aggro Cass, could be even worse than Flash Decispikes. All the tools are already there.

[deathsadvocate]

Well one costs seven, the other costs ten. And abyss is not nearly as good at ramping things.

While sure it does more damage it’s slow enough to be plenty fair, and you can’t actually just play it out of hand short of ramp. I think it would be fine and give the steal cards a neat purpose, as they currently lack one and their very existence is pretty insulting with how boned abyss got during their expansion.

So while I am no fan of Deci/Spikes or any form of burn that does not use the board, it would at least be neat and probably not strong enough to be an issue.

I had to sandbox the deck my self just to see if maybe it did work, but I was dissaponted…and then finished reading the thread to see he did the same thing :(.

[miguelosz]

Or aggro Lilithe. With DFS it’s 8 mana (around 10 dmg) AND a full hand. Add Dank Seed, Spelljammers, Blaze Hounds + all the cheap burn (Void Pulse, Flameblood, Grasp etc), and I’m seeing no way someone, at some point, wouldn’t find a way to break this combo. All of these are cards, which (besides Deci) already work great with aggro Cass/Lilithe. I agree that Stealbyss desperately needs support, but this is not the support we’re looking for.

[anjosustrakr]

It must be a bug that you did not die, but the interaction should not work as you want it to. YOU draw cards from your opponent’s deck, not them, so why should they take damage? Also, Abyssian still is great. Just spam Desolator and infinite Saberspine Tigers…

[alexx55]

Why would it work? You draw your opponents cards, not him drawing his cards (which triggers Decimus)

[ZyX]

Now with visuals -

WHENEVER your OPPONENT draws a card

Now I’m not one to restrict people’s fantasies, but in a standard game of Duelyst, you are not your OPPONENT.

If your OPPONENT decided to play Unfathomable Rite, he would receive the gift-wrapped damage. AS ONE WOULD EXPECT on reading the card. Not as if the card is saying -

"Whenever a card is drawn from your opponent’s deck"

I have to use capitals for emphasis because it doesn’t appear that you comprehend what an opponent means. It’s got nothing to do with being a new player, or limiting fun interactions. I don’t even think there is need to think about it breaking anything, pretty sure it doesn’t, but more to the point, this isn’t even a real thing. You’re just misreading the entire supposed interaction.

What’s next, us getting the card in our hand when an enemy Scroll Bandit backstabs us?
I’d rather like that, actually. Maybe I should have a poll for this…

E: Now, if there is an issue where the enemy using a Rite does not trigger your Decimus, then it is a real bug and needs to be reported.

[deathsadvocate]

To be fair have you read combustion and nether summoning, and then been very confused when you played them? There are quite a few things much more poorely worded. And in fact we had a very similar Decimus situation recently with memevore, where burned cards counted as drawn, which has since been fixed for balance reasons. I could very easily see the reasoning and the chance of a “discoverable” interaction were drawing cards from the opponents deck (even if added to your hand) could have activated Decimus.

[ZyX]

Mnemovore burn was not an interaction, it was a bug. It was fixed for being a bug. That it was unbalanced is beside the point. Mnewmovore was never ‘drawing’ anything.

[deathsadvocate]

Many “bugs” are ignored or considered fine that should have absolutly no right to exist. This one I could have absolutly seen working, the reasoning makes sense to me…don’t even get me started on Spell sentinels.

Point is there are many “bugs” or interactions that would be stranger then this, some make sense some do not. This one I could have seen making sense.

Edit: @zyx as for the “its a bug so it doesn’t count” argument, hatefurnace progressing the trial via thraex was a “bug”, but they decided it was fine and kept it…and then decided to choose even more poor wording despite the recommendations of several mods/devs. Plus again that was just one example of many for the analogy.

[cookedpoo]

All of this fantasizing about Decimus and Unfathomable Rite is a bit farfetch’d, which I will agree to you guys with, but I never saw the interaction where playing Unfathomable Rite and drawing cards while Decimus was on the board as a bug. This basically altered my thinking into “if I’m not the one that’s drawing cards, who really is?” Obviously this whole idea is crazy if it actually is a bug, but in my vision, it wasn’t and the idea could have really worked. (Also would have worked with Demonic Conversion, to have a 5 (potentially 4) mana combo that deals 2 damage, and replaces with a minion with wanderer buff, while giving your opponent nothing.)

[cloudfrog]

i’ve never seen unfathomable in play. it would be interesting to see things from the enemy persoective and see my deck counter thin out.

[halcyon98]

I do agree that such an interaction wouldn’t be too intuitive, but the prospect of it is too awesome to just let it pass.