Hello everybody, I’d like to complain about the sick matchmaking system we have.
This is not a new topic at all, but I thought that since CPG is working on the new expansion I thought this would be a good moment to RE-bring this up, hoping for changes.
I know, not always you get the numbers of players, so it’s fair that while playing ranked you encounter other ranks’ player, what I believe is unfair is that the losing one of the two players loses positions in their own rank. Why??
I don’t know any fair game where you lose positions in your rank by facing higher or lower ranks’ players.
What does the community say? Do you also wish for a change?
Matchmaking doesn't work
I don’t think this needs to be adressed. I like that the system treats players equally in this regard. The only circumstances this rule might apply in my opinion is when a gold or Silver ranked player loses to a S-ranked player. This difference in skill and probably available cards should maybe have no impact on the gold-player’s rank.
But there should be no other rule. Rank is something you earn through your own efforts, but it shouldn’t bee too easy or have too many loopholes.
Invite more friends to the game. Maybe this way you queue into more people of your rank.
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I don’t understand, it means for instance that if you (Diamond) lose to me (Gold), I’m supposed to climb a step in my division but you shouldn’t lose one in yours ?
If for instance a diamond loses against an s-rank the d. shouldn’t lose positions.
In the opposite situation where a diamond wins against an s-ranker it should be a penalty for s-rank (losing 1 position) and the diamond gains one position. OR nobody gains/loses positions.
Frankly I don’t see the same urgency when comes to winning positions, it’s losing them that is unfair.
Think also that In gold and silver when you win 3 times in a raw you get a bonus, in diamond you don’t and you bump into a shitload of s-rank that wreck you.
EDIT [clarification about your example]
If a diamond loses against a gold like in your example could be a possibility that the diamond loses a position as a penalty for losing against a lower rank and the gold should be rewarded with a position up in their rank. And so for the other divisions.
Mmhh…
I think s-rankers are just too happy of facing lesser threat against diamond players (maybe you’re one of them, don’t know…), so let’s address the elephant in the room, shall we?
Why would you or others be against my proposition?
I’m not talking about not having matches at all, I know Duelyst players are not milions, I’m talking about losing positions in the ranks, that’s all.
Thanks for reminding me 
Btw, I strongly disagree on your suggestion but when it comes to matchmaking, the improvement I’d like, would be to not to pair players that haren’t on “neighbour” division.
Facing Silver or Diamond when you’re Gold is not ideal but ok. Being paired versus a Bronze or S-Rank, this is really unbalanced, I’d rather have a matchmaking result like, (when being Gold for instance) :
“We didn’t found a player in your division vicinity (Silver/Gold/Diamond), search in further divisions ?”
… and you can choose yourself, for the best or the worst, and be paired with someone that also accepted this risk.
But facing S-Rankers in Diamond, suffering from it, playing yoyo or being hardstuck is part of the resilience needed to get to S.
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You’re welcome 
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'Cause sometimes wisdom and experience makes you forget about nuances… :
Look, when you play yoyo in gold it’s easy to stand up again with those 3in a raw wins, even if you keep on meeting diamond players, because the level between high gold and low-medium diamond is pretty similar.
The problem happens when a diamond player like me (diamond has been my house also for quite some time btw) meets for example 3 times the same day the number 1 s-rank player, which happened this week, among other s-rankers.
The s-rankers, especially high ones are there for a reason, the resilience you’re talking about frankly sounds more like the bullying/cameratism of s-rankers winning easy against diamond players.
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I guess we agree to disagree 
Still convinced that if you can’t win versus S-Rankers, you’re not fit for S-Rank, even if the matchmaking gives you some unluky streaks.
And yes, it happens to everyone, everyday, but I still find more frustrating to have to fight versus an S dragall or @eurasianjay when you’re Gold (I did, couple days ago) because that’s not why you’re here.
On the opposite, when in Diamond and grinding ladder, that’s exactly your purpose : join the best and for that, you have to be S material too, to beat them.
What is “cameratism” ? 
(honestly, not being a smartass, english is not my first language)
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tbh as a regular s rnk player I don’t enjoy getting easy games against people in diamond, gold, or even other s rankers. I would much rather get games against people like dragall or grinch as it is much more fun when you have to give your all in order to even stand a chance of winning, there are no rewards for winning in s at the moment, so i only play in order to have fun playing. I’m not sure what the issue you are having about being matched against strong players is, but if you are playing to win rather than playing to have fun then there is no way I can agree with you.
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But why if I’m in a lower rank should I lose position in my own rank if defeated by a higher rank??
Yes it is more frustrating, especially if you lose positions in your rank, which Is why I opened this thread.
Yes, beating the other diamonds: we are in the same division, I’m better than you, I climb; you are in a different division so our match should be not effecting our rank position.
And what about s-rankers climbing in s-rank thanks to the collection of wins against diamond (more in number than s-rank players)?
Sorry, my mistake, English is neither mine and I kinda “englishized” a word in my native language: I meant hazing, but as a figure of speach, I didn’t mean to say that s-rankers bully anybody 
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Because if not, a lot of people will end up, easy peasy, in SRank
Oh and SRank won’t be something with “prestige” or difficulty anymore.
You seems to have a better knowledge or intel about these filthy SRankers that grind their way to the top, steamrolling poor Diamonds and dodging other skilles SRankers
Gieve names, let’s boooo them !
Seriously, matchmaking between SRank and Diamond is fine to me and I personally like it like that. I tried it, seen how it works and what it requires, and I find it perfectly defining the elements you need (skill/deck/patience/resilience/luck, in that order).
I think I expressed myself pretty clearly in the main post but in a nutshell: it’s unfair to lose positions in your own rank if you lose against players of higher ranks.
Sorry, don’t get me in the wrong way, but based on your reputation as very good top-rank player I have difficulties believing that you play only to have fun and that winning has no role in the reason why you play a competitive videogame in ranked mode .
I play to have fun but as anybody I also want to win and face opponents of same level: losing positions in my rank facing too often the supposedly best players of Duelyst is awkward.
A prestige that should be gained becoming first the best in diamond and then the best in their division. So you think it’s fair that they keep their prestige facing mostly lower rank players (as they’re higher in number) I get it .
Nooo booing it’s not my way, at least, and it’s not their fault, it’s a game fault
First of all diamond players are more than s-rankers (sorry for repeating myself) so inevitably the last ones will meet the first ones more often rather than other s-rankers.
Second, my experience of this week was emblematic, as I met bjeban123 (former position 1 s-rank) 3 times in one day along with other s-rankers (but, you really want me to put more names, are we at that?).
What, getting to s-rank? I agree mate, but I don’t see why can’t I hold my position gained beating other diamond players in my division by losing against top players in a higher division.
Would be more fair for example if once in rank 1 of diamond you’d face low s-rankers, not when you’re in 2,3 and 4.
ps. I asked during a stream of an ex Duelyst top-player why he’s not playing D. anymore and he said that it’s because of something similar to what I said. Conspiracy theory? I don’t know hehe!
I can see where you are coming from now, however a change that would fix this solution would be excessively complicated and just confusing to a lot of people, especially for what is a not a massive issue, and if you don’t lose rank if the gap is too large, would that also mean you would not gain rank if you won, even if the game was hard fought? as for not wanting to win, I try my best to win every game I play as I don’t find enjoyment in losing when I could have done better. If I didn’t enjoy the game I wouldn’t play it as much as I do.
You may want to warn @ThanatosNoa and the dev about that.
If you meet 3x Djeban123 AND other SRankers a day, there is indeed a big flaw in the matchmaking algorithm as Djeban123 should be paired in priority with these “others” SRankers, not you facing every S representative 
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I don’t see what would be so excessively complicated or confusing about changing the system so that when a player loses against a higher rank players simply doesn’t lose positions in their own.
That is different. Gaining positions beating a higher rank players is definitely a plus, a positive achievement for a lower rank player, so I could still see them gaining position in their rank.
But why should a player be rewarded in their own rank winning against lower rank players, of course at the expenses of lower rank players?
i don’t doubt that, the thing is that your opinion sounds a bit not objective because you’re an s-rank player, one of the best ones, and you’re obviously benefiting from what I’m accusing of being wrong in the matchmaking.
I don’t know if in all the matches we had that day they were already in rank 1, but for sure was around there. If needed I can take screenshots and we can check.
it would be great if the matchmaking was perfect and everyone got games vs others in their rank, but the game is not big enough for that and punishing people for queueing at the wrong time just seems ridiculous. Even if your idea did go into place I doubt it would make much of a difference, if you are not climbing it is probably not due to running into people far above your skill level. So what really would be solved by making the matches between divisions not worth anything other than people feeling that the game was not worth playing.
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Well that’s how I feel ! I’m “punished” because I connect at a time when I encounter only top-players, of a higher division AND I lose positions in my rank, which pisses me off.
How’s that fair?
Surely bumping into the best players so often won’t help my morale in playing, and my skills obviously being lower than theirs become useless. But yeah, I still see that the status quo suits you, as of course this doesn’t cause any trouble to you or players like you.