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Vaath aggro need to be improved for Diamond

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Hello guys !

I wanted to try an aggro Magmar’s deck, especially to try Rancour, it has a big potential imo, like 15 - 18 damages turn 2 with Elu, Warlock and co.

The problem is I can’t keep my Rancour more than one turn most of the times, because of the removal !

I added a second win con, Drogon’s set and I wonder how I can improve this deck to make it viable in Diamond and above. Maybe to add more control, less around Rancour…

What you guys think ?

This looks like a RotBB list if I ever saw one.

It looks quite good but there is some problems

-3 Amplification: Rarely ever is useful.

-3 Cryptographer: If playing Decimus.

-2 Drogon: If playing Decimus.

-2 Entropic Gaze: Too costly for what it does.

-2/3 Elucidator: The combo with thumping is just too expensive.

-3 Rancour: It may be the flavour of the deck, but as you said it won’t last a turn, replace it with Young Silithar.

The most important card to add here is sunsreel defender this card is just insane when flashed out on turn 2 and helps you keep board and brings removal to it like a moth to a flame. Instant 3 of, no buts.

+3 Lavaslasher: You’re playing Vaath.

+1 Drogon: This is your finisher.

+3 Thunderhorn: This is the main card of the meta, it’s really good.

+2/3 Terradon: He be big.

+3 Decimus: You’re playing spikes after all.

Of course you don’t have to do these, but do your self a favour and put in 3x Sunsreel Defender

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That’s a Deck that i’ve played in diamond this month for a while:

It did decently well but i don’t think i could have made S-rank with it. Just like most Aggro decks it’s not really consistent and the amount of damage you do to yourself is critical, especially against other aggro decks.

The sad thing here is, i don’t think it can be improved all that much without throwing the basic concept over board and going for a generic midrange approach. You can play Flamebloods over Primus fist if your really set on pumping up Rancour to the utmost, but i wouldn’t recommend it. Tripple Luci and double tectonic is already 18 damage to your general. Primus buffs Rancour as well, even though for 1 point less but is much more flexible and a better turn 1 play.

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Until now I played a Midrange Vaath deck, I know it’s more reliable, so the goal is not to change this deck to a regular midrange one.

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It’s true the self damages is very high and most of the time I am too short in life to wait a Drogon combo or to buff Rancour properly

You have nice synergies with cards such as Flameblood Warlock/Elucidator and Rancour. That said, I’m concerned that Drogon is your alternate win con. A lot of cards in your deck already harm your general, and with no healing in your deck, are you sure you want your alternate win con to use your general’s health even more?

If you really want to use Drogon, you would definitely need healing in your deck, but your deck is so fast that a win con like Drogon doesn’t sync too well with it. Drogon becomes stronger over time while your general gets beefy, but your deck looks like it plans to end the game at no later than 6 mana, when Vaath might have only one buff.

As your deck is now, I recommend you replace Drogon with Decimus. You have Tectonic Spikes and Entropic Gaze, which are made that much stronger with Decimus, and it’s a win con you can use even if your general is far away, so you can use your self harm cards more freely. Without Drogon, Cryptographer would probably also go, and Young Silithar would be a good stand-alone 2-drop to replace it.

I might even suggest using Starhorn over Vaath. When I saw your deck, it just screamed Starhorn to me with all of your burn tools. You’d have Seeking Eye to further abuse your new alternate win con, and cards like Flash Reincarnation and Greater Fortitude won’t burn through your hand as easily.

Greater Fortitude AND Amplification is overkill. I’d pick one to keep (Greater Fortitude is probably more reliable) and replace the other one with Natural Selection. It’s just too good not to have.

Hope this is of at least SOME help to you. :grinning:

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I have a couple examples over in my master thread:

Aggro is more Starhorns thing, but Vaath can certainly do it. If your sticking to Vaath aggro I would skip spikes/entropic in favor of blaze/spelljammer, as you don’t want spikes without Decimus and you don’t really want either without starhorn.

Aggro is one of the very few places that natural selection and lava lasher do not fit. Although Vaath lends himself much more towards midrange/control where Lasher and Nat select shine.

Well with Drogon + Crypto you just have to hit the opponent once, so it’s not too demanding on your life. Just make that one hit count.

Thanks all for your help and contribution !

With all of your comments I can say two things :

  • first, a way to improve this deck is mainly to go to a mid range style, so the deck will loose is identity
  • second, another way is to go to a Decimus deck, with Starhorn but again the idea was to keep Vaath

I didnt include Lavaslasher for the same reason, far too slow in this kind of deck.

I forgot your deck “DeathsAdvocate” ! I will try your spread for sure ! Maybe I can try an hybrid Aggro / Midrange to include some control also…

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