Trials of Mythron - Hate furnace

[improbableblob]

Magmar can run this in any other deck by replacing its removals with buff spells and running Haruspex.

I don’t know what game you are playing, but not running removal in duelyst is a death sentance.

[kirabi]

You can’t play this card in a normal deck there is no point.You have to build as specific deck as any of the other Mythron cards you can not play this a Standard Magmar deck.You will never get the destiny effect.

And your complaint doesn’t make any sense in the big scheme either it is like getting mad that Knuckle storm is a good fit in Mantra deck or War exorcist makes Titan deck better. Already good deck got a good card is something that happens in cards games.

[halcyon98]

I don’t know what game you are playing, but not running removal in duelyst is a death sentance.

Of course, you wouldn’t have to exclude every and all removal. Also, restricting removal options applies the same to all other Mythron minions, which need even more specific deck composition than Hatefurnace. Besides, Magmar also has removal in the form of minions, like Lavaslasher or Warbeast, which are already margins better than removal in other factions as a whole, such as Songhai or Lyonar.

You can’t play this card in a normal deck there is no point.You have to build as specific deck as any of the other Mythron cards you can not play this a Standard Magmar deck.You will never get the destiny effect.

Personally, I think this can be a solid win-con in almost all Magmar decks. This actually brings me to the second reason why Hatefurnace is better than all other Mythron minions: it’s Destiny is universal and unconditional.

Other Mythron minion’s Destinies need to meet specific conditions to make maximum impact: Songhai’s Ebon Ox needs to summon lots of minions or single heavy minions, a task unfit for a spell-centric faction like Songhai; Abyssian’s Underlord requires minions to die, which isn’t a difficult requisite for Abyssian but somewhat opponent-reliant nevertheless; and Vanar’s Oak needs token minions, a niche category of minions.

As for Magmar’s Hatefurnace, it just needs minions. They cost of minions do not matter, the effects of minions do not matter, the types of the minions do not matter; they all become immediate late-game threats regardless of their initial power level. Nowhere in other Mythron minions can we observe such a flexibility. You’re correct when you claim that the average Magmar deck is powerful enough without the card, but that fact alone cannot undermine the versatility and power of this card.

And your complaint doesn’t make any sense in the big scheme either it is like getting mad that Knuckle storm is a good fit in Mantra deck or War exorcist makes Titan deck better. Already good deck got a good card is something that happens in cards games

That only makes my disdain much more justifiable. Why can’t playable cards be printed for a weaker archetype such as Stun Vanar or Swarm Abyssian? Why do strong cards have to support only the most predominant archetypes in-game while less played archetypes are left in the dark? It just doesn’t make sense, and so because it happens frequently obviously doesn’t nullify the fact that if this trend keeps up, strong archetypes will only get stronger while weak archetypes will continue to fall behind. (As a side note, Mantra Songhai and Titan Lyonar are weaker decks than Midrange Magmar.)

[improbableblob]

so you are taking out good removal spells for bad buff spells in the hopes that sometimes you can highroll? This is just going to make the deck weaker on average and is not a good way to create a deck. I’m not saying that this is a bad card, just that the deckbuilding challenge is being ignored by everyone who is screaming that it is op, including you.

[halcyon98]

I am not arguing that Hatefurnace is overpowered. I am arguing that it is stronger than all other Mythron minions. (To be fair, I did initially think it was overpowered as a knee-jerk reaction, but now I’m not so sure.)

[beelakor]

Still my point stands… Abyssian has the only Mythron until now that can be fulfilled by the BBS alone.
My ranking was about how dependant on a deck the Mythron is, not how good the Destiny or whatever requirement is easy to fulfill with a deck which has the sole purpose to do so…

[halcyon98]

I didn’t think of that. But still, Maehv is the only General who can do so.

[beelakor]

Cassiva also counts if the ping kills an own minion.

[halcyon98]

Really? Is it confirmed?

[improbableblob]

yes, by ryv on discord

[alplod]

It is. Even if you manage to kill your own minion with say natural selection stolen from Magmar or Phoenix Fire stolen from hai, it counts.

[fr0stfyre1]

Doesn’t hatefurnace open up zoo starhorn? It would probably be insanely difficult to play, and annoying as hell, but giving every battle pet rush and frenzy shuts up everybody else. In the current meta I don’t know if it will work. Given the abundance of removal I don’t expect it to. But heck, just for the memes. (replace Kolossus with hatefurnace)

Armada cuz we’re gonna get a deck full of makantor jesus anyway. IF Zukong lives, you’ve just made it boys. Sol gives you a second chance. Use Razor skin to proc hatefurnace, and snag a few battlepets as well. Flash amplitude, and lavaslasher to remove. Homeostatic rebuke for everybody else. Rawr is a secondary option. calculator could actually be another build…

how bout that

or considering that you want bigger stats when you hit frenzy, you might want this.

[phoinexflame]

I have some bad news for you, Shimzar cards are rotating out very soon (including all the battlepets) so unfortunately you won’t be able to play that deck on the ladder.

[fr0stfyre1]

wut? since when? I thought they weren’t rotating out shim’zar this year. They just removed a bunch of core set cards. SHim’zar was next year… right?

[phoinexflame]

Read this for details on rotation.

Core Set and Rotation Changes

Introducing Set Rotation
Starting in 2018, we are going to introduce expansion rotations into Duelyst’s standard ranked ladder play mode. This means that Core Set cards and the most recent expansion sets at any given time will be playable in this game mode. This does not mean the cards you have collected from older expansions are no longer valid - your full collection of cards will always be playable in other game modes including Friendly Matches, Boss Battles, and other game modes we will be introducing in the future (more news on that coming soon!).

There are a number of reasons we are introducing set rotation to Duelyst’s standard ranked ladder format. As we continue to create new exciting cards for everyone to experiment with, the total number of cards continues to grow.

For competitive players it can be impossible to know what to play around. Meanwhile, for newer players it is a daunting task to try to learn the basics of the game while also trying to keep track of an overwhelming number of cards.

By limiting the card pool and periodically changing which cards are available, our aim is to ensure that matches in this format continue to remain fresh, interesting, and varied, while also keeping it accessible to everyone - new, old, and returning players.

The following is some clarifications on how set rotations will work in Duelyst:

The Core Set will always remain in the format, and Core Set cards will always be legal to play on the standard ranked ladder.
Rotations will occur once a year, coinciding with the first expansion release of that year.
When a rotation occurs, cards from expansions released two years prior will rotate out of the standard ranked ladder format.

For example, when the first expansion in 2019 is released, all expansions released in 2017 will rotate out of the format
The combined Bloodbound Ancients expansion will be considered to have been released in 2017 and will rotate in 2019 along with the other 2017 expansions.
The first rotation will occur when the first expansion of 2018 is released. At that time, Denizens of Shim'Zar will rotate out (since it was released in 2016), as well as any cards that are being removed from the Core Set (see Core Set Cleanup below for more details).

As a reminder note, rotations only occur once a year and will occur at the same time the first expansion of the year is released. This means that all cards currently in Duelyst will remain legal to play on the standard ranked ladder until the first expansion in 2018 is released.

[saltystabwound]

If you play EMP after getting Hatefurnace’s Destiny, does it keep the active state from Rush or does it dispel itself before Rush takes effect?

[unreason]

I’m fairly certain EMP’s don’t dispel themselves at all. I recall highlighting one more than once to check after summoning it and seeing it hadn’t dispelled its own ability text.

[alexx55]

People thought blood taura otk was something…WE GOT A 9 MANA 25/25 WITH THIS!!!

[isgopet]

christ this card is good. so many things count as spells w/ +attack that really shouldn’t