Playing as both players

[halcyon98]

Have you ever considered Scarzig?

[fr0stfyre1]

How would Scarzig work with this actually? I mean sure its a nice card, but how on earth can you kill something with scarzig here? I doubt it would survive, and frankly is just a terrible pain to activate in magmar. Its usually best in Songhai.

@alplod Actually I should think that I might go with either the pony of death, or rebuke. Rebuke works fine I think, since it will still leave in all those nice and shiny eggs that rizen leaves behind. But honestly I dunno.

@miguelosz I think bonereaper might work, though its a little antisynergetic with apex, since bonereaper is all about the positioning, and apex randomly drops it.

[halcyon98]

Pop a Komodo Charger or a Spriggin token.

[fr0stfyre1]

Ah. well thats actually a nice idea. But it really eats up your spirit doesn’t it? That means I should toss in a few mirrorims as well I suppose.

[halcyon98]

It’s a fun idea but you shouldn’t feel obligated to blow 2700 spirit on what is usually an underwhelming card. Just throwing it out there for memes.

[fr0stfyre1]

I tried building around scarzig, but I think scarzig really doesn’t fit the archetype. It’s useful against komodo spawns, or those spriggin spawns, but requires a dedicated base.

anyhow, I came up with somehing that looks like this,

Though I feel that bonereaper could be cut, for makantor instead. Ironclad is really only there for its synergy with apex. kujata for ramp, and maw for more removal. The deck would Ideally aim to keep the opponent locked down with loads of threats, while you try to get rizen hunter or rizen spriggin active.

[deathsadvocate]

Huh this is really innovative I am intrigued, here is my Apex Mill deck that works off of a similar principal.

DeathsAdvocate's Master Thread: Eternal Trials of Mythron

http://www.bagoum.com/deckbuilder#MTo0MTgsMzoxMDk5MywzOjExMDg0LDM6MTkwMzgsMzoxMTAzOSwzOjQzMiwzOjQzNSwzOjQzMywzOjExMDMwLDM6NDA1LDM6MTEwOTMsMzoyMDI5MiwzOjExMTU2LDM6NDM2

At its core its a simple Apex deck that packs a lot of high end units and tries to just use Apex ASAP and hope what it drops is better then what the opponent drops. To facilitate this we run almost exclusively minions, starhorn keeps our hand topped off, and abjucator accelerates the deck.

But this deck also has a fun secret trick. Mnemovore mills three cards for each unit you summon off of Apex, and even ignores the usual random summoning order. But wait, there is more, if Rizen is in your hand when you Apex Rizen will summon an egg for each unit your opponent gets off of Apex, which if that was not cool enough if you also have Mnemovore you could possibly mill upwards of thirty cards.

Unfortunately neither Apex nor Mill are particularly effective tactics leaving this as mostly a gimmick. Allthough there was a brief time when this was a gamebreaking deck with the Vore/Deci interaction, but that has long been fixed, I wanted to see if it was still viable without the instant damage aspect, and the answer is only sort of, but its still a lot of fun either way.

I had completely dismissed the idea of still trying to make it do damage. Shame sprig/komodo are OGs that dont work with Apex or you could be on to a nasty otk. But that being said I do want to see how much damage we can make a venom tooth do with apex.

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Will edit in/reply with some more ideas soon.

[alplod]

Though I feel that bonereaper could be cut, for makantor instead

Makantor is definitely a better option, with Apex especially. Should be 3-off.

Also, I’m not sold on maw, and you have no healing.

What do you plan to mirror btw?

[deathsadvocate]

Here is my rough idea:

http://www.bagoum.com/deckbuilder#MTo0MTgsMzoxMDk5MywzOjExMDg0LDM6NDA5LDM6MTEwMzksMzoxOTAzMCwzOjExMTAzLDM6MTA5NjAsMzo0MDcsMzo0MzUsMzoxMTAzMCwzOjQwNSwzOjExMTE2LDM6MjAyOTI=

have the anti minion summoning package mixed with sprig/komodo. Anti summon package is also pretty cool with apex its self, and negative opening gambits like sprig/komodo/lucy wont activate on apex cast which is good standalone allthough a bit dissapointing for our anti summon dudes.

Aether for consistency, Kujata to ramp out spriggans and friends, and then just some good tech.

Or alternatively:

http://www.bagoum.com/deckbuilder#MTo0MTgsMzoyMDExMiwzOjExMDg0LDM6MTA5ODEsMzoyMDEyNSwzOjE5MDMwLDM6MTExMDMsMzoyMDIzNCwzOjEwOTYwLDM6MTEwODYsMzo0MzUsMzo0MzMsMzo0MDUsMzoxMTExNg==

Using the standard midrange starhorn package but going for the anti minion summoning crew rather then the usual rebuke/plasma package as they serve a similar purpose.

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Good times
https://play.duelyst.com/replay?replayId=-LLeyaMzJcEYEIqu1043

Given decispikes did most of the work, but we got to pull off some crazy working as intended combos.

[alplod]

@fr0stfyre1, @deathsadvocate, guys, I definitely love this idea and will be crafting Apex as soon as I can

[deathsadvocate]

Ah jeez…this poor maev. Spikes not even needed that game.

https://play.duelyst.com/replay?replayId=-LLf-wYA3DebGvVXdLoj

I am a bit skeptical of the Apex variant, but I am loving the midrange one.

[mmf]

throw in a grailmaster for memes

[alplod]

Remind me, can it get Rush?

[mmf]

I don’t believe so ( the celerity ranged is enough incentive for me to want to play it.)

[fr0stfyre1]

komodo hunter’s, since they make for cheap but big bodies, and are your main source of antisummons.

[fr0stfyre1]

It’s great to see that the deck actually can work! Though I think I might cut venom tooth, since there isn’t very many ways that tooth can be useful(and since I’m a little short on spirit lol) I think the first deck looks a bit beter though, in terms of staying true to the concept. I’m planning on wasting some of my spirit to get a few of the cards I don’t have.

Just a question, do you know all the spriggin drops? Do they usually provide more of an advantage to you or your opponent?

[deathsadvocate]

I like toth quite a bit, it actually sees some play in aggro list sideboards, but this is certainly not aggro. If you are skipping it though then that makes room for the metallurgist/Rage binder package in place of kujata/heal.

Second list has a gimmick built onto a top tier deck, first list is a gimmick on a gimmick with a few strong cards. Second list is definitely stronger, but both do work.

Spriggin:
https://duelyst.gamepedia.com/Spriggin

[bepoest]

Even in this deck Chirpuka would be bad?

[fr0stfyre1]

I would think that Chirpuka would work fine, only it doesn’t really synergize with the whole anti-summon package. IT could work, but finding space for it is as always a problem.