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New player looking to learn how to abyssian

#11

the thing is different abyssian decks play very differently
abyssian is the most segregated faction as there isnt just one set of cards all decks play (except lure)
the one thing you need to learn above all else is positioning and counting more so for abyssian than any other faction
counting lethal from 15 wraithlings in awkward positions can be easy to miss

tips for swarm archetype

1: always count how many things can die if you have deathwatch in hand or on board. be very careful as there will be a lot of things on board if you are doing it right.

2: use your opponents turn to plan your moves (just in general, even more so with lots on the board)

3: keeping your swarm alive is important but so is staying within range to be able to cash it in. knowing when to switch between aggressive and defensive is key. baiting your opponent into walking towards your swarm is difficult, but your most likely win condition.

4: if your opponent is magmar, lyonar, songhai, or has a thunderhorn, your swarm WILL be answered one way or another no matter what you do. plan on it. if your opponent is one of those and has 5 mana get as much use/damage out of your swarm as you can before plasma storm, rebuke, tempest, flamewreath, ghost lightning, or any thunderhorn shenanigans(songhai/vet/vanar) can wipe your entire board.

5: never dump your entire hand unless you have lethal or no choice. the best way to counter point #4 is to always be able to recover after a board wipe. its good in the early game to swarm the board before they can get their aoe to clear your board and just win turn 2, but this can backfire and requires a god like opening hand

6: playing a bunch of minions around an empty space(against songhai,magmar,lyonar) or your general(against songhai,vanar,vetruvian) in the middle is very dangerous as every faction has a way to punish you for that by killing everything around that spot

7: always hold onto at least 1 win condition even if it doesnt seem useful right now. grimwar, soulshatter pact, furor chakram, even shadowdancer. without these, your swarm cant actually do enough to matter since swarm relies on the suprise factor so heavily. being able to cash in your swarm, no matter how meager is vital.

creep, dying wish, myth, aggro, and memes all play very differently (except maybe myth and wish can play the same. maybe)

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#12

Here’s some budget cards which are really good for swarm: (rare or common)

Cryptographer
Furor Chakram
Inkling Surge
Shadowdancer
Bloodtide Priestess
Furosa
Zyx

Glhf, I believe swarm is the best archetype to improve your positioning :slight_smile:

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#13

He really shouldnt since he has Plasma storm, Homeostatic rebuke and makantor warbeast available

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#14

welcome to the abyss …

punish spell is a must have cards
before mythron we got sphere of darkness but atm … 3x demonic conversion will do good things

dark sacrifice is needed if you really want to play big creature fast …

but if you want to play abyssian with this mythron condition and play without the mythron trial and destiny … i respect your courage bro … play some originals

anyday if i know i;m playing against mytron trial generals i’m gladly auto conceded

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#15

Wow those are some really nice syngergy cards thanks my guy, also you spelt Furiosa wrong but I got it, do you have any more recommendations? I have plenty of spirit to spend on at least a couple of epics or so

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#16

Nevessary legendaries for swarm are Grimwar and DeathFire Crescendo. For epic you may play new Wraithcrown, I like it very much, and there is also a deck smwhere by @beelakor, who uses the crown to archieve true awesomeness.

Put grasp in place of the grimwar - and you’re prepared.

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#17

if you ever need to go on a budget, furor chakram and soulshatter pact makes a decent alternative for crescendo and wraithcrown.

this deck has been through several changes. but flying is a really nice archetype for otk stuff.

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#18

He didnt its the OG name

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#19

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This is what ive come up with, had deathfire from orbs getting lucky but most everything else was crafted now ive got like 20 spirit lol
(I don’t know how to do the nice picture with the curve and stuff help i just hit the export button)

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#20

Also i wanna make a shadow creep deck after i finish the grimwars and stuff but thatll be awhile, and then i kinda enjoyed songhai but I dunno yet. Thanks to all of you who have responded and helped I’m always open for more tips/card recommendations because I downloaded this game again and already have like 11 hours on steam again with it help me

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#21

You can use http://bagoum.com/deckbuilder to make and post your decks in a picture

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#22

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Here we are, my “I’ve been playing this game for 2 days” deck

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#23

Well, looks too good for “playing 2 days” deck :slight_smile:

However, Crescendo is not well suited for such a deck. With crown you want your swarm to live, not to die.

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#24

Welcome to the dark side

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#25

Seems decent :slight_smile: I see no problems with 1-off Crescendo in this deck as it’s an alternative wincon. You should do well with this deck in Silver and Gold.

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#26

I used to main swarm consistently to diamond, I am s rank. Here is my two cents on swarm. But first, a PSA vs creep

Control cassyva Shadow creep is also extremely weak right now because it is A very late game deck, and this expansion just released mythrons which are exttremely powerful late game win conditions that compete with cass. They also had their strongest creep generation dissapear from rotation.

When playing swarm, try to play very aggressive. There is no reason to play cards back, and playing up lets you dominate your opponent by trading in wraithlings with neccessary targets.
Take out dangerous enemy targets like grow minions, makantor, etc when neccessary, but always maintain a good sized swarm. Make sure next turn he cant trade into most wraithlings, and its a good idea to plan have a swarm of about 4-6 dudes every turn, depending on the win conditions in your hand, an example is having double soulshatter pact. Have the biggest swarm possible and dont trade in that case, because db soulshatter is the earliest possible lethal.

Dont actually play around board wipes as much as people may say, because you still need wraithlings to threaten lethal at any time. For example, when magmar will be on 5 next, try to hold one or two swarm cards to be able to pull a swarm after the nukes hit. However, if you dont have a swarm, or only 2-3 wraithlings, you generally want to pull out the big donger of swarms to get ready to push for lethal, or maintain the tempo lead

Unlike magic, where you dont have to block with your white weenies, duelyst allows people to trade freely, so you cant afford to play around Aoe as much as usual.

Try to only use win cons to get lethal, but in some cases use grimwar without trading to threaten value if your opponent uses a board wipe. Or a crescendo after someone used their removal on your blood tide priestess to get a huge tempo swing.

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#27

Just for reference in case you actually did the hard way of slowly picking cards.

Fast way to get deck is to put your code without the [deck name] after bagoum.com/deckbuilder#
So if your deck code looks like [NAME]CodeABC
You type bagoum.com/deckbuilder#CodeABC

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#28

I don,t know how important the meta is to you but Abyssian is overall considered as the weakest faction right now

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#29

Yea I was looking at the watch tab and saw that there were literally no abyssian replays lol, but as a new player just trying to learn the basics I’ve always played something that was “bad” to learn.
Ex. Control Warrior in HS at the peak of TGT aggro shitfest

I will be playing more meta stuff as I play and expand my collection but I’m still bronze and pretty sure most everything works

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#30

I think I’m late to the party-
Welcome to the Abyss!
I’m Bel, your friendly neighborhood spikechild. I don’t swarm a lot, but I do like using shadow creeps in my deck which is another archetype for Abyss. If you ever feel like getting into that I can give ya a few strategies I often play!

Good luck and hope the salt of other peeps don’t bother you too much uwu

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