Miguel's Abyss deck and discussion space

[miguelosz]

Update: I finally took the effort to craft some of the most expensive mechs, so expect to see some builds in the next coming months

[alplod]

Don’t forget to provide a link to a Mech thread also;)

[bepoest]

Eager to see your touch on Abyssian Mechs!

Just be aware that Multi-hit Deceptib0t is sometimes disappointingly buggy, more frequently when Metaltooth is involved.
S.I.L.V.E.R. is fine (except in cases above), I mean the only bug it has is the happy exponential Grow and Backstab.
If you get to play Project Omega and Echo Deliverant, there’s a double stat bonus (happy) bug IIRC, but I don’t have Omega yet so that’s a deck I need to try.

PS: @alplod you’re still alive! Glad to see you post.

[miguelosz]

Thanks! Yep, I was mostly aware of the bugs Omega is especially interesting to me, so I’ll be mostly building around him.

[alplod]

you’re still alive! Glad to see you post.

I am truly alive and am still lurking and liking the posts I… like, you know

Watching you

[nh3maser]

Exponential Grow and Backstab isn’t a bug: S.I.L.V.E.R. ability is “friendly Mechs gain all keywords of other friendly Mechs”, and each instance of Grow or Backstab is counted separately.

Double Omega buff with Deliverant also isn’t a bug: the copied Omega gets two instances of the buff, one from the original and one from its own intrinsic ability. It’s the same reason you get extra stats when you use Fractal Replication on an Okkadok.

Omega is especially interesting to me, so I’ll be mostly building around him.

I’m interested in seeing what approach you take in Abyssian. I’ve experimented some with it, but the massive mana cost makes same-turn combos with Cadence prohibitively expensive, and the need to play a lot of other small Mechs makes reanimation effects unwieldy.

In another faction, though, there is one good way to do it:

DeathsAdvocate's Master Thread: Eternal Trials of Mythron

[deathsadvocate]

Ah yes good times, here are a couple examples along with their details. Starhorn still remains the most common mech user though.

DeathsAdvocate's Master Thread: Eternal Trials of Mythron

Mechanical Abomination: Competitive

Summary

http://www.bagoum.com/deckbuilder#MTozMDEsMzoxOTAwMiwzOjIwMjcyLDM6MjAwNDksMzoxMTEyMywzOjExMTI2LDM6MTkwMDMsMzoyMDM0OCwzOjE5MDA0LDM6MjAwNTcsMzoxOTAwNSwzOjE5MDA2LDM6MzQxLDM6MzAwMzk=

I have tried out a more traditional swarm approach with Abhorrent Unbirth, but between Metaltooth being his favorite partner and the recent nerf to their interaction, I figured I may as well go all in on the mech plan giving us a solid back up plan that wont fold to this AOE prevleant meta. We pack our own Aoe thanks to Furor Chakram, which also serves as a powerful win condition, which is another card that absolutely loves metaltooth.

For those that dont know how Abhorrent Unbirth works, it destroys all minions on your field, and summons one giant abomination with all the combined stats of the destroyed creatures as well as their keywords. Although now you need at least one other mech on board to get rush off of metaltooth but thats not to hard considering we have a lot of them. Oh btw yea the abomination steals temporary buffs like Chakram, and then Chakram buffs him as well after he is done forming.

Early on you tend to want to dig for cheap mechs to start your progression, finding metal tooths and one copy of chakram is usually a fairly high priority, Unbirth can be hard to set up sometimes so it so I sometimes replace it early or when it does not look feasible. Its a bit tricky to get the hang of knowing when to focus on mech, how to set up unbirth, and when to just switch gears into more control with desolator spam but its pretty rewarding once you figure it out.

Between its cycles, and desolator for emergencies, card advantage does not tend to be an issue. Its a very fun, and very competitive deck, although its a bit meta dependent on how good it is.

DeathsAdvocate's Master Thread: Eternal Trials of Mythron

Mechotic MecHorn: Highly Competitive

Summary

http://www.bagoum.com/deckbuilder#MTo0MTgsMzoxOTAwMiwzOjExMTIzLDM6MjAzODIsMzo0NDYsMzoxOTAwMywzOjE5MDA0LDM6MTkwMDUsMzoxOTAwNiwzOjIwMTE3LDM6MjAxNTcsMzoyMDM0NCwzOjIwMTIyLDM6MTExMjc=

This deck has one main goal and that is to kill someone from really high health via playing omega, and then the next turn following up with Mitocic/Eggmorph for a crazy burst rush version of omega regaurdless of if the first survived.

Aside from its omega plan it has the normal build mechazor plan, which supplements the deck with amazing draw power thanks to Seismoid. The deck has room to include all of magmars favorite control spells letting you be prepared for any match up. Earth sphere vs aggro/burn, plasma vs swarm, rebuke vs certain swarms or big bodies, plus rebuke has some nasty combos with mechazor and or sword.

The deck mostly plays defensively just focusing on keeping the field clear and staying alive just buying time to work towards your game ending combo, which is similar in principal to the worldcore variant of the deck, but much faster.

The deck is very consistent thanks to its amazing digging power and stall tools, and has an answer for everything plus multi angle win conditions. Decks that deal with normal mechazor tend to be slow and very vulnerable to the instant kill combo, and vice versa. The only thing it really struggles against is aggressive midrange lists that pack minions that are not vulnerable to plasma and rebuke, or when it bricks and just cant get what it needs. Its a tough deck to play as you really need to know your matchups and its easy to screw up, but the deck has a ton of raw power.

While very powerful the prevelence of aggressive vetruvian in the meta really gives it a hard time, between that and bricking its just short of an S rank rating.

DeathsAdvocate's Master Thread: Eternal Trials of Mythron

Apex Mechs: Competitive/Gimmicky

Summary

http://www.bagoum.com/deckbuilder#MTo0MTgsMzoxOTAwMiwzOjQwOSwzOjExMTIzLDM6NDQ2LDM6MTkwMDMsMzoxMTAzOSwzOjE5MDA0LDM6MTkwMDUsMzoxOTAwNiwzOjIwMzQ0LDM6MTExMjcsMzoxMTEyOSwzOjIwMjky

So aside from consistent mechazor build, and rebuke nonsense, the deck has quite a few neat tricks. Playing seismoid and two kujatas can let you dump out most of your deck which sets you up for powerful Omegas, more then one mechazor, Silver/Metalooth, or a guaranteed transition into your apex plays. All of those are powerful tricks on their own, and even without the whole combo seismoid/starhorns draw power just give you a ton of consistency.

Speaking of Apex some really cool things happen when you play the card, preferably early with abjucator, first of all Omega does count those summons on his effect, second of all Silver can do some crazy things giving all those keywords, like giving those massive Omegas rush.

The most important keyword for silver is rush from metaltooth. But be warned the there are some odd interactions with metal tooth and silver. Silver must be on board before tooth hits and since Apex summons in a random order it doesn’t always work. Which is another important thing to note if your going for Silver/Tooth combo outside of apex always go SILVER THEN TOOTH.

Its a pretty neat and effective deck, but the RNG element, the somewhat slow gameplan, and the possibility of your opponent getting a better apex then you, keeps it as ultimately a gimmick.

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[bepoest]

Exponential Grow and Backstab isn’t a bug: S.I.L.V.E.R. ability is “friendly Mechs gain all keywords of other friendly Mechs”, and each instance of Grow or Backstab is counted separately.

Double Omega buff […]

It is my strong opinion that these two are side-effects of the programmer’s implementation. I also firmly believe the initial game designer’s specification did not go as far as to explicitly describe these interactions, didn’t think of them, did not rule them out or request them in. This is such a universal pattern I have seen all my carreer, I would bet actual money on it.

If my theory is correct, these unforeseen interactions (aka. bugs) were then discovered at the testing stage, or maybe earlier in a scrum meeting if CPG used an Agile organization. At which point a quick arbitration was submitted to the “Product Owner”: Shall we correct this bug?
Then they weighted pros and cons, and after a quick look at the new game balance (good thing EMP’s been printed) they thought it was a cool side effect.

Immortal Vanguard - Neutral S.I.L.V.E.R

There’s actually a really cool discoverable thing with Grow and Backstab when it comes to SILVER and how he gives it to his friends! But I won’t spoil that right now (gotta keep some things discoverable for you guys to check out day 1!). I can tell you that if you had a Dusk Rigger on the field and played SILVER, all friendly mechs would copy his value and have Backstab (2)

And certainly not worth the effort for the small company to fix, gotta go fast through pushing new content because that’s the life or death for an entertainment startup.

End of rambling

Edit: And if I’m wrong and CPG had the S.I.L.V.E.R. and double Project Omega buff designed and specified from the start and everything was planned, my hat off to these guys. They’re a superior kind and I’m not sarcastic.

[miguelosz]

Interesting combo with Mitotic, nice! Good to see that my ideas don’t overlap too much with what’s been done before

Btw, did you know that if Omega is stolen by Reaper of the 9, it keeps all the buffs from your own plays instead of being summoned as a 1/1 if the opponent hasn’t played any mechs? Just got a nice 17/17 surprise to deal with in the last game

[bepoest]

But @miguelosz it burns me: Have you crafted Alter Rexx? I don’t think anyone publish a real, circumstanciated review of the card since its buff.

[hubertdragon]

So this deck is a mech deck . okay and also i smell a leper beaver @bepoest

[bepoest]

Sorry I don’t understand “leper beaver” (English is not my native language)

[hubertdragon]

Translate and you will see @bepoest

[miguelosz]

Sry, that’s the one Mech card I’m not in a hurry to craft I may have one copy lying around though, so I may toss it into some deck and see what happens. Otherwise it will need to wait until I can craft some other actually half-decent cards

[bepoest]

No problem, I’ll do it at some point.

[nh3maser]

unforeseen interactions (aka. bugs)

That’s fair enough. In my head I differentiate between bugs that violate game rules (like Vale Ascension not working at all) and unanticipated interactions that are consistent with game rules (like the Mech stuff above), but I see how they can be all lumped together from the software development perspective.

if Omega is stolen by Reaper of the 9, it keeps all the buffs

This is a little surprising but I can see how it works: the buff on Omega applies even while it’s inside your deck, so it’s already big when Reaper pulls it to the field. As long as it doesn’t get further buffed by subsequent Mechs you play I can accept this one.

[miguelosz]

Yep, that’s exactly how the Omega steal works Kinda makes sense, but it was a huge surprise nevertheless.

[bepoest]

Added this interaction to the wiki.

[cloudfrog]

It’s wording-consistent too. It gains the buffs, it’s not value added on OG like abyssal juggernaut.