This ?
Bandit, Sentinel, Lantern and KE-on-BS are enough for card draw/cycling without any Gotatsu ?
This ?
Bandit, Sentinel, Lantern and KE-on-BS are enough for card draw/cycling without any Gotatsu ?
If no gotasu, why not Hideatsu? For those long games
Then one should replace smth with Bloodtear Alchemist or Swamp Entangler, which is not so good.
Aside from the reason alplod mentioned, Ox also has anti-synergy with Oni so that is another reason against him.
Just out of curiosity, how does Ox have anti-synergy with Oni? I don’t see an immediate connection.
BTW, if there are midrange Hai professionals gathering here…
I don’t have Hamon at all. I see the power of Hamon/Zendo Combo, but I don’t want to craft Hamon.
smaller hand size
When you play Oni there is a chance you will draw a lot of cards, particularly when used against Abyssian. When you can only fold 5 cards in your Hand due to Ox hogging up the sixth it is very easy to put Oni’s splendid ability too waste.
It’s not only about the power of Hamon/Zendo, it’s also, Hamon/MDS and Hamon/Juxtaposition. Personally, I only play Zendo if I have on of these 2 (or Blink is available next turn).
Go for Hamon !
It honestly depends on your playstyle whether or not to run Hamon. Some people like to play Geomancer instead and some prefer no 5 drops at all. The Hamon and Zendo combo is strong and wins games, but semi OTK stuff like that is not my thing.
Unfortunately, all this advice is useless because new expansion so experiment and see what you best succeed with. In the end, midrange hai is fun in that you can mix and match with different minions, heck you can even play Giago as your 5 drop.
Don,t forget hamon assasin protocoll
I personally never run ASS because it is almost always clunky to have, there will be few times where you can actually use it effectively. That is why I suggest any midrange deck have only +3 MDS, +3 Jux and +3 OBS as spells. Only in arcanyst decks I run it because, one, you have many big bodies to use it with, two, cheap spell proc, and three, replaces itself with cards like Bandit and Conjurer on the field.
I can’t give up protocol in a deck playing T-horn. Especially in this meta.
But Geomancer is a nice option. Thanks, I’ll try it.
Here’s the deck I’m having fun (and success !) with:
Made a post a few days ago about this, I have tweaked the deck a bit since I wrote it, but here’s the link: https://forums.duelyst.com/t/ranked-scarzig-deck-insane/13727
As for the expansion, I would say that as Shadow Waltz has rotated out while it could have really shined with Massacre Artist / Kendo Expert / Horned Mask, the only card I find somewhat useful for midrange Kaleos is Bakezori, as a tech card that can be great for some decks who need heavy draw.
Why 2 Bake and 1 Jammer?
This deck burns card really fast and you need a solid draw engine. I wanted to use 3 draw cards for 4 mana, so the main options were Bakezori and Jammer. As I’m not so sure about which one is the best I started up with 1 Bakezori and 2 jammers for testing purposes, but I think that +1 Bakezori - 1 Spelljammer is actually better for this deck.
I still keep 1 Spelljammer because playing Jammer means that you WILL draw an extra card at the end of your turn, while it’s not always the case for Bakezori. On top of that regarding the matchup it might be better to play bakezori than jammer… or the opposite. So I ended up with a mix of the 2.
I’ve said it before, but depending on the matchup, saberspine alpha can replace emp in your top end. Enables you to curve zendos more efficiently and play more agressively in the mid-game
Sample build on this aggressive version of mid kaleos, one with which I’ve enjoyed reasonable success with on ladder. Feel free to tweak to better fit your own playstyle.
This deck is still strong.
I also still use my old Kaleos deck. No new stuff from Mythron.
And i’m focusing more on big minions, such as Hamon, Marauder, and Emp all 3 copies. And use small threat such as chakri, scroll, Thorn, etc as a removal bait.
And the curve is fine, no need gotatsu imo.
@lefthook, thank you for your deck so much! It’s a meme and it’s competetive. 4 games 4 wins in diamond now. Pretty awesome.
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